Christina
Haas’ essay describes a study she did with a Biology major, Eliza. This study
shows Eliza’s development as a reader through her four years of college. At the
beginning of the essay, Haas refers to many other studies about academic reading
and writing, particularly in the sciences. Using these studies as evidence, she
argues that most students see texts as autonomous (meaning they can stand
alone) rather than looking at them in context. Haas and other professors want
students to have a rhetorical view of texts, meaning they understand that all
texts are written by real people in particular circumstances and are part of
larger conversations.
The rest of
the essay describes how Eliza thought of her reading and class assignments during
her four years of college. In her freshman year, Eliza read texts to find out “what
the book says,” which is the autonomous view Haas referred to earlier. But as Eliza
continued in her school career, she thought more about authors and context. Her
work in a lab made her more aware of how grad students and professors conduct
research and write about it. By her senior year, Eliza saw herself as a
scientist-in-training and had more of the rhetorical perspective that Haas
seems to want all students to have. One of Eliza’s most important developments
was when she began to realize that scientists can be wrong or might not know
all the answers, just like she doesn’t know all the answers.
According
to Haas and the other sources she cites, science isn’t just about “facts” and
whether they’re right or wrong but instead is a conversation among scientists. This
is similar to the idea Graff and Birkenstein argue for in They Say, I Say: that all academic writing is part of a
conversation and that good ideas don’t exist in isolation but are responding to
something. By her senior year, Eliza is able to understand and respond to other
scientists, rather than just memorizing facts. Facts are still important, but
she realizes that scientists are human beings too and don’t have all the answers.
This is something that I hope all students can gain as they develop in their
education. In elementary school, the teachers tell you the right answer and you
trust them as authorities, but by the time you get to college, I believe that it’s
more important to have critical thinking skills and figure things out yourself,
rather than just relying on the experts.
Do you
agree that a rhetorical understanding is better than an autonomous or
authoritative view of texts? How might this be different in different majors or
subjects? Has your thinking about texts changed since you started college? Do
you relate to any of the stages Eliza went through? How could you develop a
better rhetorical understanding of your own major?
Feel free to respond to any of these questions or to the reading in general. Let me know if I left out anything important!
I have to agree with the idea of rhetorical understanding as superior to autonomous or authoritative. If we do nothing more than memorize all the facts and data in the world, we are nothing more than a hard drive on a computer or an android. Besides, in actually we are not challenging ourselves if all we had to do was take in facts in a book and not apply them by interacting with others. We are truly striving to understand the real meanings and concepts behind the facts by thinking for yourself and discussing with other peoples' views on the subject. There is not one person that knows all the answers, but sharing what they do know with the world only broadens one's knowledge in the end.
ReplyDeleteI like your hard-drive analogy.(:
DeleteI also agree with the statement that rhetorical understanding is better than autonomous or authoritative view of texts. The reading made a statement about how high school readings seem to be based on autonomous texts, in which many students will just end up restating what they've just read; which in turn doesn't really give you insight as to if they truly understand what they are reading, or like Frankie mentioned, just memorizing all the facts. I found the reading to be very interesting, as I could relate to some of the reading habits Eliza had. I think throughout my time in college, my reading/ thinking about texts has changed. She mentioned one of her methods as a freshman, to help her understand the readings were to just memorize and accept the book for what it is, and to continue to reread it when she seems weary of what it's saying. I could relate to this in some aspects. I think her progression in comprehending reading materials is a lot like most students, where you start by just accepting the material for what it is/what the author says, and by the end you're better at interpreting what it's saying, forming your own opinion, and being able to use applied knowledge to the subject matter.
ReplyDeleteSolely in the context of intellectual progress, I believe a rhetorical understanding of texts is more functional than an arhetorical interpretation. However, while the autonomous approach gradeschool has taught us emanates just the basic concepts of literacy, it is no way any less valuable. This authoritative form of understanding texts would allow basic rhetorical thinking to be used in fields or majors requiring limited communication of larger ideas, physical labor, or any of a tedious and petty nature.
ReplyDeletePre-college and unlike Eliza, most of what I would read always needed to connect to the bigger picture. But college helps challenges and refines my perspective.
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ReplyDeleteComparing the article with my own academic experience, I do agree and feel that rhetorical understanding is necessary in order to grown in any field of study, not just science. An example I have would be from my physical anthropology class today: we discussed the myths of science, which basically call for students and researchers not to accept everything read as 'fact'; actually, according to the discussion, there is no 'fact' in science, just rejected and non rejected theories and laws. Part of research in general is to really dive into a topic of interest and explore one's findings, not to replicate what other researchers on the same topic have found before. It was interesting to read of Eliza's growth in this and finally coming to an understanding of "how it's really done", so to say.
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DeleteI like your saying through your own experience. I'm taking communication class and we also discussed that science is the result of experiments of some people instead of the truth or fact. I agree with it strongly.
DeleteI am in agreement with most of you that rhetorical thinking is superior to autonomous understanding of subject matter. To acheive success not only in education but in all aspects of life, I feel that it is crucial for a person to maintain the ability to think rhetorically about a topic or issue. On the other hand,autonomous thinking is neccesary to understand the general meaning of a topic or issue, but it can only get you so far. If someone is only able to gather information from text, store it, and "spit it out" then it may be difficult for them to fully understand that concept or piece of work in a social sense. Autonomous thinkers may struggle with understanding other's views and ideas on a subject and may have trouble applying their knowledge to other areas of work. That is why rhetorical thinking is needed to build off basic concepts and engages you in conversation and other work surrounding a topic. A person needs to be a rhetorical thinker to some degree in a college environment in order to be successful at what they do.
ReplyDelete"...autonomous thinking is neccesary to understand the general meaning of a topic or issue, but it can only get you so far." Like it, credit for this one.(:
DeleteI agree that a rhetorical understanding of information can be superior than an autonomous understanding of the same subject matter. However, the importance of gathering and understanding facts and statistics cannot be fully discounted. When an author presents a point, especially in a persuasive manner, his/her point would be completely worthless without a sufficient number of facts to back it up. Where rhetorical understanding truly becomes important is in responding to the ideas presented in a piece of persuasive work. Rhetorical understanding will allow a person to hold informed opinions and decide whether or not they agree with the point that the author presents.
ReplyDeleteI've always felt that while looking at books in context and as part of a larger group is important, it's also just as important, if not more so, that an article, book, or anything between can stand on its own. While an article can reference other research, other papers and the like, if the one you're reading doesn't inform you well enough or engage you enough, you won't want to get the context that improves the article/book.
ReplyDeleteI dont understand wether or not the author, is suggesting that "Eliza's" reading of the material is intentional or more of an unconscious method to process the information in given text. I myself am a biology major and recognize a lot of the patterns that the author points out about Eliza's reading. I personally read most introductory scientific text autonomously but on purpose.
ReplyDeleteFrom my personal experience of collegiate reading and writing I agree that a rhetorical understanding of information is most often superior to autonomous understand of the information. As a language major however, memorization is very key in my success. I have also seen however that when studying a language such as Chinese, that holds a lot of culture in their language alone, it is very important to think rhetorically which will in turn broaden your understanding.
ReplyDeleteI agree with your opinion that memorization is important.(:
DeleteI agree with the author and most of you that a rhetorical understanding is superior to an autonomous or authoritative view of texts, but I feel autonomous view of texts are also essential and necessary. I think autonomous understanding is the foundation of study. Just like building a mansion, only if you have enough bricks, you can begin the construction. Another example, a musician can only create his/her music after he/she has a good command of music theory and musicality by listening to tons of prior other’s great works. Autonomous understanding is a process of accumulation,while rhetorical understanding is a process of exercising. We cannot do rhetorical understanding without autonomous view and we should never be satisfied with the autonomous view of texts. In the autonomous-view-of-texts level, knowledge is just the knowledge in the book, but up to the rhetorical-understanding level, knowledge is the knowledge in your mind and your tool to create your work. Therefore, you have authority and ability to analyze,judge,even oppugn. From my own experience, because there is still lack of English vocabularies in my mind, many times I cannot express myself well, though I have tons of thoughts in my mind in Chinese. Therefore, both of autonomous understanding and rhetorical understanding are important to achieve success in the education.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with the author. The rhetorical thinking is superior to autonomous understanding of subject matter, in fact, the rhetorical view is much more interesting to read. Understanding the context entirely make the writing is easier to understand by others without living too many questions inside their heads. Since I’m studying in engineering, rhetorical view can give me a better way of understanding. Nonetheless, personally rhetorical view is not always the best way for writing. Autonomous understanding is better for elementary students since they don’t really think critically on the subject. Therefore, memorizing the facts is a better way for studying in elementary school, in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteAs with many of the previous comments, I strongly agree with the author that a rhetorical understanding of text is far more advantageous than autonomous reading. I can relate very well to Eliza in that I have already noticed the way I read texts - whether it be literature, academic articles, text books, etc. - has changed drastically since I entered college. I believe that a rhetorical view gives you a better understanding of the text and helps you not only to understand what an author is saying but to respond to it with your own thoughts, opinions, and ideas as well. It teaches you to be a free and creative thinker, rather than just memorizing information.
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